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	<title>Comments on: Why StatCan is (or could be) like Google</title>
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		<title>By: staffing123</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-426724</link>
		<dc:creator>staffing123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They look to monetize content instead of creating and enabling public value from the content they are mandated to create. Meanwhile, there is a massive shift away from direct content monetization to other forms of value creation in content industries&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://staffingpower.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://staffingpower.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They look to monetize content instead of creating and enabling public value from the content they are mandated to create. Meanwhile, there is a massive shift away from direct content monetization to other forms of value creation in content industries</p>
<p><a href="http://staffingpower.com/" rel="nofollow">http://staffingpower.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Eaves</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-419316</link>
		<dc:creator>David Eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy - I&#039;ve just joined Homezilla and it looks great and love the integration of StatsCan data into the site. Persuading StatsCan to change will be difficult - not because they don&#039;t agree (there is a younger cohort that definitely gets it) but because they are trapped by a cost-recovery model. Insiders tell me that the cost recovery doesn&#039;t actually generate much revenue (especially once the costs of billing and following up with clients is factored). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m willing to bet anything that for accounting purposes, the revenue appears in the StatsCan books separately from the costs of tracking and billing clients. This makes data appear like a big cash generator, even though, once recovery costs are factored in, the actual profit is minimal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sadly, it is the public that loses out - as only large companies can afford to use the data. In the end our tax dollars subsidize the data McDonald&#039;s uses to figure out where exactly to place its next franchise, but I&#039;ll know next to nothing about the stats of my own neighborhood. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy &#8211; I&#39;ve just joined Homezilla and it looks great and love the integration of StatsCan data into the site. Persuading StatsCan to change will be difficult &#8211; not because they don&#39;t agree (there is a younger cohort that definitely gets it) but because they are trapped by a cost-recovery model. Insiders tell me that the cost recovery doesn&#39;t actually generate much revenue (especially once the costs of billing and following up with clients is factored). </p>
<p>I&#39;m willing to bet anything that for accounting purposes, the revenue appears in the StatsCan books separately from the costs of tracking and billing clients. This makes data appear like a big cash generator, even though, once recovery costs are factored in, the actual profit is minimal.</p>
<p>Sadly, it is the public that loses out &#8211; as only large companies can afford to use the data. In the end our tax dollars subsidize the data McDonald&#39;s uses to figure out where exactly to place its next franchise, but I&#39;ll know next to nothing about the stats of my own neighborhood. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Ward</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-419314</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.HomeZilla.ca/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HomeZilla&lt;/a&gt; has integrated some of the StatsCan data into our site and it easy but not cheap. Like many Canadian companies, they have done some great technical work but don&#039;t do a good job marketing or make it available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post! <a href="http://www.HomeZilla.ca/" rel="nofollow">HomeZilla</a> has integrated some of the StatsCan data into our site and it easy but not cheap. Like many Canadian companies, they have done some great technical work but don&#39;t do a good job marketing or make it available.</p>
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		<title>By: el chief</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-419310</link>
		<dc:creator>el chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statscan is beyond useless!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s cheaper for me to do my data collection myself...heading downtown to count buildings :S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statscan is beyond useless!</p>
<p>It&#39;s cheaper for me to do my data collection myself&#8230;heading downtown to count buildings :S</p>
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		<title>By: david_a_eaves</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-418850</link>
		<dc:creator>david_a_eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alana, thank you for the link - could agree with its sentiment more. This post was actually inspired by &lt;a href=http://eaves.ca/speeches/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a talk I gave a on November 26th to StatsCan&lt;/a&gt; at their managers retreat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alana, thank you for the link &#8211; could agree with its sentiment more. This post was actually inspired by <a href=http://eaves.ca/speeches/ rel="nofollow">a talk I gave a on November 26th to StatsCan</a> at their managers retreat.</p>
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		<title>By: Alana Boltwood</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-418849</link>
		<dc:creator>Alana Boltwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another former StatCan employee here...  I like the idea of making StatCan&#039;s data free.  Were you inspired by this post?: &lt;a href=&quot;http://shockminuscontrol.blogspot.com/2008/12/modest-proposal-for-statistics-canada.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://shockminuscontrol.blogspot.com/2008/12/m...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However:  From a client perspective, &quot;Become more like Google&quot; actually means &quot;display targetted advertising next to information&quot;.  Government agencies generally can&#039;t promote one product over another. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, from a hiring perspective, &quot;Become more like Google&quot; means offer the fun, perks, coolness, and incredibly hard work expected in a high-tech company.  People do join StatCan because of its great reputation, but also for the stability and work-life balance of a civil service job.   It&#039;s a hierarchical, unionized public sector environment and just isn&#039;t going to have the same culture as high tech.  But StatCan&#039;s data quality does stem from the staff&#039;s high regard for tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another former StatCan employee here&#8230;  I like the idea of making StatCan&#39;s data free.  Were you inspired by this post?: <a href="http://shockminuscontrol.blogspot.com/2008/12/modest-proposal-for-statistics-canada.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://shockminuscontrol.blogspot.com/2008/12/m.." rel="nofollow">http://shockminuscontrol.blogspot.com/2008/12/m..</a>. </p>
<p>However:  From a client perspective, &#8220;Become more like Google&#8221; actually means &#8220;display targetted advertising next to information&#8221;.  Government agencies generally can&#39;t promote one product over another. </p>
<p>On the other hand, from a hiring perspective, &#8220;Become more like Google&#8221; means offer the fun, perks, coolness, and incredibly hard work expected in a high-tech company.  People do join StatCan because of its great reputation, but also for the stability and work-life balance of a civil service job.   It&#39;s a hierarchical, unionized public sector environment and just isn&#39;t going to have the same culture as high tech.  But StatCan&#39;s data quality does stem from the staff&#39;s high regard for tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: david_a_eaves</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-418768</link>
		<dc:creator>david_a_eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes! New lows achieved. That really is punitive... &lt;br&gt;Of course maybe this is part of the stimulus package - keyboard ready make work projects in data entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes! New lows achieved. That really is punitive&#8230; <br />Of course maybe this is part of the stimulus package &#8211; keyboard ready make work projects in data entry.</p>
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		<title>By: rural</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-418767</link>
		<dc:creator>rural</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently found some data that I wanted for a project (examaning MPs expenses) in PDF format, only to find the pdf to be locked against copying so that one is unable to even cut and paste to a spread sheet. Seems that even when data is published by government they want to make it as difficult as possible to produce reports and comparisons from it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently found some data that I wanted for a project (examaning MPs expenses) in PDF format, only to find the pdf to be locked against copying so that one is unable to even cut and paste to a spread sheet. Seems that even when data is published by government they want to make it as difficult as possible to produce reports and comparisons from it!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. David Brusegard</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-418395</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. David Brusegard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for Statistics Canada for 11 years until 1986 - during that time I continually argued, as did others that Statscan should provide its data free to citizens, since they paid for it in the first place.  The amount of money Statscan reaps by selling the data is miniscule compared to the social and economic benefits free access could create.  The fight obviously continues.  Love to be part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for Statistics Canada for 11 years until 1986 &#8211; during that time I continually argued, as did others that Statscan should provide its data free to citizens, since they paid for it in the first place.  The amount of money Statscan reaps by selling the data is miniscule compared to the social and economic benefits free access could create.  The fight obviously continues.  Love to be part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: NRCan is the Google of the Government &#124; blog.GC20.ca</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2008/12/08/why-statcan-is-or-could-be-like-google/comment-page-1/#comment-414077</link>
		<dc:creator>NRCan is the Google of the Government &#124; blog.GC20.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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