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		<title>By: Revolutions in the media economy (2) – the changing structure of information &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-423592</link>
		<dc:creator>Revolutions in the media economy (2) – the changing structure of information &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and legitimacy for this mode of reporting. Indeed, David Weinberger has gone as far to claim “transparency is the new objectivity.” In the past, media accuracy was achieved by a handful of editors and fact-checkers who verified [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and legitimacy for this mode of reporting. Indeed, David Weinberger has gone as far to claim “transparency is the new objectivity.” In the past, media accuracy was achieved by a handful of editors and fact-checkers who verified [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention The Death of Journalism? (or journalism in the era of open) &#124; eaves.ca -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention The Death of Journalism? (or journalism in the era of open) &#124; eaves.ca -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by David Eaves, David Eaves. David Eaves said: For those at today&#039;s panel some links: Death of Journalism: http://bit.ly/3FlnOt &amp; Missing the Link: http://bit.ly/36etII #freshmediame [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by David Eaves, David Eaves. David Eaves said: For those at today&#39;s panel some links: Death of Journalism: <a href="http://bit.ly/3FlnOt" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3FlnOt</a> &amp; Missing the Link: <a href="http://bit.ly/36etII" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/36etII</a> #freshmediame [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MickW</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418919</link>
		<dc:creator>MickW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 05:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful article. Makes me keep turning several things over in my mind.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Ted Rall and his insistence that online news degenerates if it doesn&#039;t have a firm way to make readers pay for good journalism. He is usually talking about the coming failure of large news organizations, which he links to his own survival.  Are journalists going to have to survive on their own in the future? Should we be keeping large news authority websites alive? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. There are many good online vehicles for various uses, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://Escrow.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Escrow.com&lt;/a&gt; as a financial instrument for sales of items between strangers, Paypal, and -- had the U.S. not decided to hammer it out of existence here -- Neteller.  Each one acquired a reputation without a preexisting brand. If the financial instruments are evolving online, news organizations should have to do the same.  If the NYT or LATimes can&#039;t make their readers pay, or fail because their news is being lifted and used for free, then we have the opportunity to get brand new ones. I find that encouraging. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The internet is slowly working over the news and it&#039;s beating it to a pulp. The average internet user is an idiot who receives chain mail and internet legend stories and believes them. These bits of trash compete with and often win over facts, and particularly during election years contribute to &quot;The Big Sort&quot; because they tend to be polarizing. (I found your blog because it was posted on Slashdot.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I disagree with Maurice Cardinal about errors. They can distract a reader from your overall excellence. But I definitely won&#039;t stop reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article. Makes me keep turning several things over in my mind.</p>
<p>1. Ted Rall and his insistence that online news degenerates if it doesn&#39;t have a firm way to make readers pay for good journalism. He is usually talking about the coming failure of large news organizations, which he links to his own survival.  Are journalists going to have to survive on their own in the future? Should we be keeping large news authority websites alive? </p>
<p>2. There are many good online vehicles for various uses, such as <a href="http://Escrow.com" rel="nofollow">Escrow.com</a> as a financial instrument for sales of items between strangers, Paypal, and &#8212; had the U.S. not decided to hammer it out of existence here &#8212; Neteller.  Each one acquired a reputation without a preexisting brand. If the financial instruments are evolving online, news organizations should have to do the same.  If the NYT or LATimes can&#39;t make their readers pay, or fail because their news is being lifted and used for free, then we have the opportunity to get brand new ones. I find that encouraging. </p>
<p>The internet is slowly working over the news and it&#39;s beating it to a pulp. The average internet user is an idiot who receives chain mail and internet legend stories and believes them. These bits of trash compete with and often win over facts, and particularly during election years contribute to &#8220;The Big Sort&#8221; because they tend to be polarizing. (I found your blog because it was posted on Slashdot.)</p>
<p>I disagree with Maurice Cardinal about errors. They can distract a reader from your overall excellence. But I definitely won&#39;t stop reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane Dubord</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418808</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephane Dubord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a red herring though. One of the reasons I&#039;ve dropped reading the dailies is that their stories are just as poorly written (and edited) as any blog I&#039;ve seen. There are still typos and horrendous structure in those &quot;professional&quot; pieces. And most are written for an audience assumed to be barely literate. It was enough to turn me off them entirely. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With blogs, I expect some typos here and there. Knowing it&#039;s just one person typing it out, I tend to forgive those much more. When they appear in &quot;mainstream print&quot;, with it&#039;s levels of review, I have a much harder time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s a red herring though. One of the reasons I&#39;ve dropped reading the dailies is that their stories are just as poorly written (and edited) as any blog I&#39;ve seen. There are still typos and horrendous structure in those &#8220;professional&#8221; pieces. And most are written for an audience assumed to be barely literate. It was enough to turn me off them entirely. </p>
<p>With blogs, I expect some typos here and there. Knowing it&#39;s just one person typing it out, I tend to forgive those much more. When they appear in &#8220;mainstream print&#8221;, with it&#39;s levels of review, I have a much harder time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Williams</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418807</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really loved this post; you&#039;re giving language to something I&#039;ve been thinking about for a long time.   Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really loved this post; you&#39;re giving language to something I&#39;ve been thinking about for a long time.   Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Atlas</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418769</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Atlas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of what is patently in front of our eyes is not seen by us. The mystery of seeing suddenly and discovering the obvious is the deepest mystery of all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And than  - &quot;The King is Naked!&quot; - it took a child to notice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is an intriguing premise but it is more in the realm of philosophy and and religion becoming the new journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of what is patently in front of our eyes is not seen by us. The mystery of seeing suddenly and discovering the obvious is the deepest mystery of all.</p>
<p>And than  &#8211; &#8220;The King is Naked!&#8221; &#8211; it took a child to notice.</p>
<p>This is an intriguing premise but it is more in the realm of philosophy and and religion becoming the new journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newspapers - Will They Live or Die?</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418771</link>
		<dc:creator>social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newspapers - Will They Live or Die?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Eaves - The Death of Journalism? [Or journalism in the Era of Open] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: While you were away @ Journalism: Fiat Lux</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418711</link>
		<dc:creator>While you were away @ Journalism: Fiat Lux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Eaves: The Death of Journalism (Or Journalism in the Era of Open) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Online Journalism Rocks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; While you were away - Journalism 453: Online Reporting and Editing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Journalism Rocks &#187; Blog Archive &#187; While you were away - Journalism 453: Online Reporting and Editing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Eaves: The Death of Journalism (Or Journalism in the Era of Open) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jrab</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/03/17/journalism-in-an-open-era/comment-page-1/#comment-418695</link>
		<dc:creator>jrab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the informative article. I got here from Jay Rosen&#039;s twitter feed as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The idea that the daily newspaper, as a product either ethereal or tangible, could just disappear without any particular replacement having been summoned to relieve it, is a profoundly unsettling one, as you can see from reading some of the previous comments. The Shirky article really hammers down on the repercussions of that likely event.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like your article because it brings into focus what &lt;i&gt;journalism&lt;/i&gt; would be without newspapers. I think that there&#039;s an ideal, where a story can be broken by a cellphone photo being posted on a twitter feed. Folks are looking for follow-up, however, which has often been the niche of the journalist: to follow up on stories. As long as people are out there following up, I think that might be able to substitute for journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the informative article. I got here from Jay Rosen&#39;s twitter feed as well.</p>
<p>The idea that the daily newspaper, as a product either ethereal or tangible, could just disappear without any particular replacement having been summoned to relieve it, is a profoundly unsettling one, as you can see from reading some of the previous comments. The Shirky article really hammers down on the repercussions of that likely event.</p>
<p>I like your article because it brings into focus what <i>journalism</i> would be without newspapers. I think that there&#39;s an ideal, where a story can be broken by a cellphone photo being posted on a twitter feed. Folks are looking for follow-up, however, which has often been the niche of the journalist: to follow up on stories. As long as people are out there following up, I think that might be able to substitute for journalism.</p>
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