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		<title>By: laurenbacon sent a spelling edit. &#124; gooseGrade</title>
		<link>http://eaves.ca/2009/06/03/10000-hours-and-the-coming-online-talent-explosion/comment-page-1/#comment-426912</link>
		<dc:creator>laurenbacon sent a spelling edit. &#124; gooseGrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted on Jun 04th, 2009 worth 2 pointsOriginal: GaldwellEdit: GladwellStatus: AcceptedReport Abusehttp://eaves.ca/2009/06/03/10000-hours-and-the-coming-online-talent-explosion/   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posted on Jun 04th, 2009 worth 2 pointsOriginal: GaldwellEdit: GladwellStatus: AcceptedReport Abusehttp://eaves.ca/2009/06/03/10000-hours-and-the-coming-online-talent-explosion/   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Misha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own .02 on 10k:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;10,000 hours always seems to me like the minimum groundwork specifically for people wanting to make significant contributions in well-trod fields, like classical music, or physics, or tennis. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think there’s also a lot to be said for people who spend 1,000 hours (or less) doing something new or risky. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I’m thinking of a specific example, though sadly I’ve forgotten all the relevant details. It was something I saw in a documentary about the early days of hip-hop, I think, and they were talking to someone who was a pretty important guy really early on in terms of redefining what sort of music you could make with a turntable, before people really thought of a turntable as something you make music with. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He said something like “I’d come home every day, and just practice, for two, sometimes three hours. And I thought, before I really showed myself, I wanted to know I was the best. So I practiced every day for a *year*, and when I came out, I really blew people away”. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I remember seeing that and thinking: if you practiced the violin for 2 hours a day for a year, when it was over, you’d barely even qualify as a beginner. But this guy had the courage/vision/craziness to invest that sort of time not is something old and proven like playing the violin, but something new and risky, like trying to make music with a record player. And so he ends up as a person who makes significant contribution in the history of a really important musical form.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have a lot of respect for the 10.000 hour guys, but I think there’s also genius to be found in the people who make wagers of smaller number of hours on longer odds. (And it seems to be the internet is full of that kind of genius – People who try something crazy and new that turns out to be great…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own .02 on 10k:</p>
<p>10,000 hours always seems to me like the minimum groundwork specifically for people wanting to make significant contributions in well-trod fields, like classical music, or physics, or tennis. </p>
<p>I think there’s also a lot to be said for people who spend 1,000 hours (or less) doing something new or risky. </p>
<p>I’m thinking of a specific example, though sadly I’ve forgotten all the relevant details. It was something I saw in a documentary about the early days of hip-hop, I think, and they were talking to someone who was a pretty important guy really early on in terms of redefining what sort of music you could make with a turntable, before people really thought of a turntable as something you make music with. </p>
<p>He said something like “I’d come home every day, and just practice, for two, sometimes three hours. And I thought, before I really showed myself, I wanted to know I was the best. So I practiced every day for a *year*, and when I came out, I really blew people away”. </p>
<p>I remember seeing that and thinking: if you practiced the violin for 2 hours a day for a year, when it was over, you’d barely even qualify as a beginner. But this guy had the courage/vision/craziness to invest that sort of time not is something old and proven like playing the violin, but something new and risky, like trying to make music with a record player. And so he ends up as a person who makes significant contribution in the history of a really important musical form.</p>
<p>I have a lot of respect for the 10.000 hour guys, but I think there’s also genius to be found in the people who make wagers of smaller number of hours on longer odds. (And it seems to be the internet is full of that kind of genius – People who try something crazy and new that turns out to be great…)</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Henegar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary Henegar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fair weather writer myself, my ego doesn&#039;t want me to admit that perhaps we need to let go of the idea that most people can&#039;t write and embrace this democratization of writing and discourse. Blogs are an interesting medium in that there are no entry barriers; anyone with access to a computer and some times on their hands can practice blogging. And never in my life have I heard so many people admit freely that they themselves are writers than in the last five years especially. Perhaps we&#039;ll see the broader implications of this in coming years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fair weather writer myself, my ego doesn&#39;t want me to admit that perhaps we need to let go of the idea that most people can&#39;t write and embrace this democratization of writing and discourse. Blogs are an interesting medium in that there are no entry barriers; anyone with access to a computer and some times on their hands can practice blogging. And never in my life have I heard so many people admit freely that they themselves are writers than in the last five years especially. Perhaps we&#39;ll see the broader implications of this in coming years.</p>
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		<title>By: david_a_eaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>david_a_eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tariq - I completely agree with you. Indeed in the piece I note that &quot;With more people reaching that 10,000 hour mark, more talented people will reach that mark - consequently, we could see more gifted writers.&quot;&lt;br&gt;You are dead right in noting that not everyone who blogs (or does anything) for 10,000 hours will automatically be good at it but that, like the musicians, you must have passion and care and what to really practice and dive deeper into your craft. The point is, that far more people are able to write for an audience than ever before (by orders of magnitude) so my hope is that whereas before the web maybe 1000 people a year got to reach that 10,000 hour threshold, with blogs my hope is that that number might become 10,000...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tariq &#8211; I completely agree with you. Indeed in the piece I note that &#8220;With more people reaching that 10,000 hour mark, more talented people will reach that mark &#8211; consequently, we could see more gifted writers.&#8221;<br />You are dead right in noting that not everyone who blogs (or does anything) for 10,000 hours will automatically be good at it but that, like the musicians, you must have passion and care and what to really practice and dive deeper into your craft. The point is, that far more people are able to write for an audience than ever before (by orders of magnitude) so my hope is that whereas before the web maybe 1000 people a year got to reach that 10,000 hour threshold, with blogs my hope is that that number might become 10,000&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think there needs to be a distinction made, that 10,000 hours of anything (assuming Gladwell is correct) isn&#039;t going to push anyone to the top, or make anyone an expert in anything. I think it requires mindful practice, and a desire to learn and improve that makes the difference - not just the act of doing for a long period of time. I can blog for 10,000 hours, but if I take no interest in the &quot;craft&quot;, I will not necessarily improve simply by virtue of the fact that I am blogging. I would venture a guess that those bloggers out there who are mindful about their craft are fewer in number. That said, I&#039;m not all pessimism and gloom. Blogging presents a tremendous low-to-no-cost opportunity for anyone to enter the world of writing, should it interest them, and develop their skills. (I do think it&#039;s safe to say that this is implicit in your post, but I hate to assume, and think it is an important distinction that should be explicit...)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tariq</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>I think there needs to be a distinction made, that 10,000 hours of anything (assuming Gladwell is correct) isn&#39;t going to push anyone to the top, or make anyone an expert in anything. I think it requires mindful practice, and a desire to learn and improve that makes the difference &#8211; not just the act of doing for a long period of time. I can blog for 10,000 hours, but if I take no interest in the &#8220;craft&#8221;, I will not necessarily improve simply by virtue of the fact that I am blogging. I would venture a guess that those bloggers out there who are mindful about their craft are fewer in number. That said, I&#39;m not all pessimism and gloom. Blogging presents a tremendous low-to-no-cost opportunity for anyone to enter the world of writing, should it interest them, and develop their skills. (I do think it&#39;s safe to say that this is implicit in your post, but I hate to assume, and think it is an important distinction that should be explicit&#8230;)</p>
<p>Tariq</p>
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		<title>By: david_a_eaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>david_a_eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - despite Jeremy&#039;s pessimism about the 10,000 hour argument even if we accept it as a proxy for expertise, I should be arguing that not only might we get better bloggers, but also bloggers who are more and more knowledgeable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, I apologize for the typos. If you see them please do send me an email noting them or... register for goosegrade and not them using that. I&#039;m eternally grateful to the community of readers who are already using that feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; despite Jeremy&#39;s pessimism about the 10,000 hour argument even if we accept it as a proxy for expertise, I should be arguing that not only might we get better bloggers, but also bloggers who are more and more knowledgeable.</p>
<p>Also, I apologize for the typos. If you see them please do send me an email noting them or&#8230; register for goosegrade and not them using that. I&#39;m eternally grateful to the community of readers who are already using that feature.</p>
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		<title>By: david_a_eaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>david_a_eaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric - touche! You might be right - the benefits of more good writers will not be distributed evenly (although they aren&#039;t now either) instead it will be a power law distribution with the very best making vastly more than even the average writer - who may be writing for free (like me).&lt;br&gt;The other piece is that more better writers might stimulate more demand - which could help offset some of the problem you highlight.&lt;br&gt;At a more basic point you are write though - the real benefit will be for readers and, I might argue, society in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; touche! You might be right &#8211; the benefits of more good writers will not be distributed evenly (although they aren&#39;t now either) instead it will be a power law distribution with the very best making vastly more than even the average writer &#8211; who may be writing for free (like me).<br />The other piece is that more better writers might stimulate more demand &#8211; which could help offset some of the problem you highlight.<br />At a more basic point you are write though &#8211; the real benefit will be for readers and, I might argue, society in general.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But being a good blogger isn&#039;t just about writing good. It&#039;s also about subject material, insight, interest, etc. (maybe you&#039;re lumping these all together). For example, this post had two typos, but I still enjoyed it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But being a good blogger isn&#39;t just about writing good. It&#39;s also about subject material, insight, interest, etc. (maybe you&#39;re lumping these all together). For example, this post had two typos, but I still enjoyed it!</p>
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		<title>By: Éric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Éric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for writers? Actually, I&#039;d say it means there will be more people in the writing talent pool who have experience with writing for little to no pay. That&#039;ll just bring down writers&#039; fees, making those who actually are professional writers poorer and less likely to work. I&#039;d say that is bad for writers, but good for people who want to read quality stuff for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for writers? Actually, I&#39;d say it means there will be more people in the writing talent pool who have experience with writing for little to no pay. That&#39;ll just bring down writers&#39; fees, making those who actually are professional writers poorer and less likely to work. I&#39;d say that is bad for writers, but good for people who want to read quality stuff for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Posts about Jon Stewart as of June 3, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about Jon Stewart as of June 3, 2009 &#187; The Daily Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stephen Colbert, Rachel Maddow Over Keith Olbermann WASHINGTON, June 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire   10,000 hours and The Coming Online Talent Explosion - eaves.ca 06/03/2009 About half way through Gladwell&#8217;s Outliers: The Story of Success and, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stephen Colbert, Rachel Maddow Over Keith Olbermann WASHINGTON, June 3 /PRNewswire-USNewswire   10,000 hours and The Coming Online Talent Explosion &#8211; eaves.ca 06/03/2009 About half way through Gladwell&#8217;s Outliers: The Story of Success and, [...]</p>
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